Gatling Gun (Tales of the American Civil War Book 1)

This is a long book pages of text , but it's a gripping page turner all the way, where the length is a plus that just serves to build a fascinating world more fascinatingly, and give you more time with believable, flawed, but mostly likeable people you come to really care about. Apart from the racial epithets, there's some profanity and scatology many of these characters are soldiers, and they talk like many of their real-life counterparts actually did , but no obscenity except on one occasion from a South African; and while there's some unmarried sex, none of it is explicit.

The plotting is spot-on perfect, IMO. View all 6 comments. Jul 07, Lyn rated it really liked it. The best alternate history novel? In this book, the South wins the Civil War! But HOW that happens is how Turtledove makes this interesting. The added firepower was all the crafty old tactician needed to turn the tide on Grant and Lincoln. So what ha The best alternate history novel? So what happens when the CSA lasts beyond ?

And Turtledove follows Lee, an educated North Carolina First Sergeant returning to his civilian career as a school teacher and four score and seven other interesting characters both historic and imagined who populate the CSA that might have been. The most obvious theme explored in this sideways history is racism. For those easily offended by a certain racial slur, this may not be the book for you. Turtledove strives for and achieves narrative historic accuracy but in doing so drops more N words than The Dude dropped F bombs in The Big Lebowski. Turtledove examines the peculiar institution in terms of those most affected, those who have grown to accept that way of life, those who insist on maintaining the status quo and the Apartheid terrorists who started the whole mess.

Tell your story and then stop typing, this could have been so much better a hundred pages less. View all 4 comments.

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I stumbled across this book while prowling around this very site and was instantly captivated by the cover; I mean, it's a picture of famous Confederate General Robert E. Lee holding one of the most recognizable firearms of our time--the AK To be honest, it's not even well-done; he's gripping it all weird and it just kind of looks like shit. Throw in a good review from one of my friends on the site and it was an easy three or four dollars to spend, even though I swear the young lady that ran I stumbled across this book while prowling around this very site and was instantly captivated by the cover; I mean, it's a picture of famous Confederate General Robert E.

Throw in a good review from one of my friends on the site and it was an easy three or four dollars to spend, even though I swear the young lady that rang me up looked at the cover, then back at me with a kind of disdainful amusement I'm sorry it wasn't fucking Naked Lunch or Gravity's Rainbow or whatever. Those are probably bad examples, I don't even know what cool people read these days. So obviously I'm coming into this experience with a fair amount of bias against its literary quality based solely on the cover and the premise.

You might be wondering why I would even want to read this having said all that, and the answer to that is because I occasionally enjoy trash. Well, I can safely say that this book is not trash and that the author managed to take such a ridiculous premise and build a convincing speculation on it. The guy is not some weird hack that got popular by a bizarre stroke of fate, he got a Ph. The book also mercifully doesn't consist of scene after scene of Confederates mowing down Union troops like some low-budget action movie, as the war ends fairly early in the novel.

The real idea or theme this book deals with is the question of what the CSA would have grown into had it won the war, and Turtledove has some very interesting and even pleasantly surprising speculations on that. As usual I try to avoid spoilers as much as possible in writing reviews of books but the back cover tells quite a bit; a militant racist South African organization uses a time machine to travel to and hook the Confederates up with a bunch of AKs, which is a hilarious difference from the rifled muskets most soldiers were using.

The novel follows two protagonists; the aforementioned Robert E. Despite them both being Confederate scum, I had to like them; Lee is smart, compassionate, and committed to his duties, and Caudell is a rational, humble and thoughtful salt-of-the-earth type guy. The two characters provide a nice and easy way to watch both Lee's decision-making and its effects on the little people. Some flaws did present themselves as I made my way throughout the novel. Lee is great but he is also a bit of a Gary Stu.

The man was inarguably a horrible, murderous racist and the way Turtledove handled him was so bizarre The fact that it stimulates thought and discussion on the subject is probably the important thing. The best way I can summarize this book is that it combines an outlandish concept with well-researched and detailed speculation and storytelling.

Reading the author's note at the end really drove home what an effort Turtledove made to create a realistic alternate world; the different factors and conditions he used to create the presidential elections of both countries was pretty complex and fascinating. The first fifty pages also serve as a kind of rudimentary user's guide to the AK Without giving away too much, it also has a refreshing for me; some might say naive faith in humanity's inherent goodness and progression towards a more compassionate state of being.

If any of this sounds remotely entertaining and worth looking into, you might want to give this a try. View all 9 comments. Nov 13, Mike the Paladin rated it really liked it Shelves: This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. I first reviewed this some years ago. Unfortunately it was the last in this seemingly endless series of books I did like. It simply treads the same "subject ground". This one explores the anachronistic arrival of some South African white supremacists with a I first reviewed this some years ago.

This one explores the anachronistic arrival of some South African white supremacists with a large supply of AKs to the south during the Civil War, with the somewhat predictable changes for the outcome of said war, and the CSA is established as a separate country. So I read this, then later on started a couple of the later books But, as I said this one is worth the read. Jul 17, Justin rated it it was ok. White nationalist Afrikaaners travel back in time and equip Robert E. Guns of the South is simply that premise followed to one possible conclusion.

Though the premise is fantastical, it is slyly subversive: We see the triumphant Confederates chastened and cognizant of the error of their ways slavery , so much so that they join up with their Union foes to vanquish the schemes of the two-dimensionally evil Afrikaaners. What's puzzling is that, for someone who is so notoriously conspicuous with his various reminders to the reader that he's Done His Research, Harry Turtledove refuses to recognize the historic reality that a caused the Civil War, and b made many of his historical characters particularly the Southerners so unsympathetic.

Lee's beatific influence is felt. One might say "Hey, it's fiction, what's the big deal? Playing around with "what if"s can be fun and useful in fiction cf. Ward Moore's Bring the Jubilee. But some counterfactuals are simply nonsensical, illogical, and offer prime examples of begging the question.

That underlying proposition is necessary, because without it, there's no way to make many of Turtledove's protagonists as likable and sympathetic as he demands. To pose that question is silly, and renders moot the era to which Turtledove would have us journey. View all 5 comments. Aug 31, John rated it it was ok. Am I a bad history grad student for reading this? I shouldn't have bothered with this. It was really poorly written in parts, especially any time dialogue had to provide some kind of exposition, and plus it made me feel a little dirty to have to root for the Confederates, as they are the heroes of the book.

I knew the basic plot: What I didn't realize w Am I a bad history grad student for reading this? What I didn't realize was that the South Africans don't just leave, they hang around to be a major plot point throughout the book. Why do they hang around? So that the author can constantly compare them with the Confederates and imply that the Confederates weren't all that racist. Turtledove fills the book with South African characters mistreating slaves, and Confederates like Robert E.

Lee coming to the slaves' defense. He even goes so far as to have the South African characters buy slaves and horribly abuse them, so he can have Confederates 'rescue' them. The plot of the book turns on R. Lee winning the war and almost immediately becoming an open and vocal abolitionist, which is completely nonsensical. And as I said before, the exposition is horribly clunky, with people saying things like "As I'm sure you know, General Lee, because you are a student of our politics, our Confederate constitution, which was passed in , provides for a six year presidential term.

I will say this for Turtledove: He goes into great detail about the subsequent presidential elections in the North and the South, about what would happen to a Lincoln who lived, about relations between the U. All of that is interesting. But when you combine the awkward writing with this picture of the rebels as a group of people hardly racist and almost ready to give up slavery on their own I can't really recommend this book. Jul 29, Thomas rated it it was amazing Recommends it for: This is a great book.

The cover has Robert E. Lee with an Ak so you know it isn't your standard book. Even though a Confederate victory via time travel is far fetched, it isn't the main part of the book. It has much more to do with the Confederate States as a nation and how it comes to terms with it's own internal problems as well as facing a racism borne out of hatred by the time travelers , as opposed to their racism based out of ignorance.

The time travelers from a decade ahead of our own This is a great book. The time travelers from a decade ahead of our own were white supremacists from South Africa and sought to create a puppet state, only Robert E. Lee while not as enlightened as we may be was a forward thinking man on race and a moderate abolitionist in his own right, and for diplomatic purposes, the CSA would need to curtail slavery for the sake of alliances with Europe which had abolished slavery a generation or two earlier.

In addition to the main plot about the Confederates vs a futuristic coup are referendums on whether Missouri and Kentucky wish to be in the Union or the Confederacy Missouri stays in the US while Kentucky joins the CSA as well as a friendship between Lincoln and Lee two men who's early deaths greatly damaged the Southern states , Lee's plans to phase out slavery, and a US invasion of Canada to offset the loss of their Southern states. This book may not be a realistic alternate history, but the main point of it is about how the South evolves after being free and readjusting their own views after seeing a much more malignant side of their perspective.

Feb 11, Robert Beveridge rated it liked it Shelves: Guns of the South is considered THE alternate history novel by many, the one alternate history novel that should be required reading in history classes and on just about every historian's list of must-read Civil War books.

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And to be fair, it's almost that good. As with most fiction of the speculative type, especially alternate-history speculative fiction, the plot can be summed up by ask Harry Turtledove, Guns of the South Del Rey, Time to make shish kebab out of another sacred cow. As with most fiction of the speculative type, especially alternate-history speculative fiction, the plot can be summed up by asking one simple question.

In that case, "what if the South won the American Civil War? And when Turtledove is writing battle scenes, he shines. The first half of the book flies by. It's a page-turner to end all page-turners. Unfortunately, when Robert E. Lee moves from military command to political life, the story bogs down.

It does pick up again, a hundred or so pages later, but there are a few places in the book where the pace gets so glacial I started to think I'd accidentally picked up Frank Herbert's Children of Dune instead. Yes, it gets that slow. It all wraps up pretty nicely, but the journey to get from point A to point B can sure be hard sometimes.

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The ultimate alternative history book of all time by the ultimate alternative history author of all time. This is the one book to read if to read alternative history. May 15, Sean rated it liked it. Half masturbatory Robert E. Lee fanfic, half apologia for the South Honestly, the concept is brilliant--white supremacists go back in time, help the South win the Civil War with AKs, and it just goes on from there. But man, I lost count of the number of times someone said the war was about keeping slaves, only to be shouted down by people saying that no, really it was about freedom and states' rights.

For crying out loud. Aside from that which isn't all that bad, it just stands out once you no Half masturbatory Robert E. Aside from that which isn't all that bad, it just stands out once you notice it--a la Mieville's crosshatching , the main problem I had with this novel was the second main character. Lee is a pretty impressive historical figure, and you could definitely do worse in picking someone to fanfic. But the second lead, Nate Caudell, is a conduit to the story rather than an actor in it.

He's there to let us see cool battle scenes from the trenches. This is great as far as it goes--the battle scenes are fun and nicely constructed--but Caudell is simply a dull character. He waits around for things to happen; he's not proactive. On the whole, I'd recommend this more heartily if it were shorter.

Go ahead and give it a try. Jun 04, Joel rated it it was amazing Recommends it for: Turtledove has a unique way of blending science fiction with history. The way he conveys accounts identify him as a master of history and research. In fact, if he were to publish text books in this manner without the Sci-Fi obviously , the nation's history I. It's truly one of those "can't put it down" novels.

The way he recreates past events and images with his "twists", shows a mind that thinks outside the box. A typical marching tune that a unit in that era would compose. His ability to hold the reader to suspense is 5 star. His character composition, also 5 star. There's really nothing to be said negatively about this book. Nov 09, Jessica rated it it was amazing.

This was the first Harry Turtledove book I ever picked up. Well, "picked up" is misleading I actually had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Turtledove for half a minute at a Comic Con in San Diego many moons ago. He was at a table in the back, and had books all around him enough to draw me in, that's for sure! He signed a copy to me and my then boyfriend, and I happily walked away.

I wasn't able to pick it up for a few years - I had tried once, but couldn't get past the first chapter - but when This was the first Harry Turtledove book I ever picked up. I wasn't able to pick it up for a few years - I had tried once, but couldn't get past the first chapter - but when I did, it blew me away. In what I've come to understand is a common theme for Mr. Turtledove, he's taken a major historical event and put an alternate history to it. In this case, the question is, "what would have happened if the South had won, with a little help from the future?

The story follows several different characters, from actual historical figures to those created to help the story, and it all flows from chapter to chapter. I had read at one point that Mr. Turtledove had taken some criticism for his portrayal of Lee, because he portrayed him as a gentleman who stuck to his convictions. True or not, the Lee that Turtledove painted in the novel was the type of person I'd want to know, and the same could be said for Nate and Molly. Jul 04, David McClelland rated it it was amazing Shelves: Perhaps the only one of Turtledoves novels that I would call truly excellent.

Unlike many of his sagas, there's no bloated and exposition heavy storytelling here, just a tightly constructed alternate history with a neat science-fiction twist. Again, unlike many of his other books, characters are a strength here, bolstered, I think, by the fact that he choses just a few people to focus on, rather than the dozens of on-going characters he usually fills his works with. Lee is an interesti Perhaps the only one of Turtledoves novels that I would call truly excellent. Lee is an interesting choice to act as the protagonist, and though he may be presented as a bit more liberal than he was historically, he still makes for a strong and compelling lead.

The supporting cast is also well-constructed, and Turtledove's research into the Civil War was clearly quite detailed. And while the science-fiction elements are a bit flimsy, they certainly serve their purpose and make for an entertaining storyline. All in all, this is one of the best alt-histories I've read, and I just wish that the rest of Turtledove's work was this tightly focused. Nov 04, Anthony Ryan rated it really liked it. A seminal work in alternative history dealing with that old chestnut: Turtledove makes a convincing case to support the notion the only thing that might have swung the balance in the favour of the Confederacy would have been the introduction of something as radically game-changing as the AK Whilst the amateur historian in me doesn't buy all of Turtledove's conclusions, primarily the notion that the Southern states would have quickly thrown of A seminal work in alternative history dealing with that old chestnut: Whilst the amateur historian in me doesn't buy all of Turtledove's conclusions, primarily the notion that the Southern states would have quickly thrown off slavery in the aftermath of victory over the north, this remains a fascinating entry in the never-ending game of 'what if'.

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An intriguing novel that has time-traveling apartheid terrorists go back in time to supply the Confederate army with AKs and keep white supremacy alive into their day so that they're not isolated when their government comes under pressure in the early 21st century. With this story I have to wonder who the intended audience is. I doubt the Confederate pride people will be happy at the reminder of just how horrible slavery truly was even if Southerners are the protagonists , whereas it was phys An intriguing novel that has time-traveling apartheid terrorists go back in time to supply the Confederate army with AKs and keep white supremacy alive into their day so that they're not isolated when their government comes under pressure in the early 21st century.

I doubt the Confederate pride people will be happy at the reminder of just how horrible slavery truly was even if Southerners are the protagonists , whereas it was physically painful for me to read of admired figures failing utterly in the great dual purpose of preserving the Union and ending slavery. Defeated Abe is truly a painful sight. It's not overly fun to see the bad guys winning, even if some of the people on that side are decent human beings.

The second half of the book breaks free from that and turns to the course of the new CSA figuring out how its going to rule itself. This section is rather less depressing as Lee is basically a really decent guy and in a position to do some good, while the Neo-Nazi Afrikaner scumbags are less able to dominate the proceedings. Seeing how people from the s view some of the future is interesting to see just from a character standpoint. As you might tell, I found the first half uncomfortable reading and the second half rather more entertaining. In both sections though, the book is consumed with a lot of superfluous details including a long sequence on just how to use and clean an AK that leave you impatient for it to just get on with it.

The sections revolving around the gradually changing opinions of a local teacher and related characters are especially prone to this sort of dead wood. The main strength of the book is in its characters and setting though. As ever, Turtledove is a master at reproducing historical figures and attitudes in a way that I've rarely seen matched. Even more impressive is his ability to do so without benefit of their historical actions to build a framework around. Lee is about as close to the figure as any attempt I've seen to capture him.

Same goes for Grant, Forrest, Davis, etc. Lincoln seems a bit off, but then it's really hard to imagine how he would react to losing the war. It's so antithetical to think of him as an abject failure that I have a hard time envisioning it. Historical attitudes are on display too, for all their uncomfortable bigotry.

Be prepared for a massive use of the word nigger and some really unpleasant and brutal scenes, none of which have negative consequences for the perpetrators. The book is fortunate in having the Afrikaner fanatics as villains since this gives us someone to hate who's even worse than the Southern slaveowners. But the fact that you end up siding with ever-victorious racist murdering Rebs and I know the North wasn't much better, but still So in the end, I still wonder who this book is aimed at?

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View all 3 comments. Sep 23, Alan Gilfoy rated it it was amazing. Harry Turtledove, The Guns Of The South Earns his alternate history reputation I've been interested in the alternate history genre, and finally picked up some Turtledove. The local library had a copy, and this is a standalone book, as opposed to starting one of his big series in the middle The story offers an interesting point of divergence and series of events following from it.

The analogues to and aspects from real history are meticulously well-detailed. I sensed that throughout the book, and Harry Turtledove, The Guns Of The South Earns his alternate history reputation I've been interested in the alternate history genre, and finally picked up some Turtledove. I sensed that throughout the book, and was impressed with the thorough research, but was still surprised by the endnote which said that the characters of the 44th North Carolina were based on actual military records.

The book also does a great job illustrating issues related to the American Civil War. Since a Southern victory was so unlikely in real life, perhaps the science-fiction help was necessary to illuminate those issues. There seem to be too many examples of that to go into here. I liked the style of two POV characters where one was an average soldier, and one a general and later politician, since overall this offered a wider perspective on the story.

An educated man and noncommissioned officer like Nate kept the commoner viewpoint from being too narrow. The parts about his teaching and his relationship with Mollie were great as something universal, or a touch of normalcy amongst the chaos It makes sense that Lee would end up involved in politics in a world where the South won, like how Grant ended up as US President in real life. However, I was still surprised that they were South African racists, their gold being in Kruggerand form being the first obvious clue. It was striking how they were even more racist than the Confederates.

It seemed convenient that the 44th North Carolina was the group called back for the combat at the end of the book, but that seemed excusable as a way to use characters we were already familiar with. Turtledove uses the N-word a lot, but it seems to fit the setting, as opposed to using it gratuitously.



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It's interesting how many of the characters who are relatively reasonable on racial issues still use that word sometimes. Frankly, I was amused when Turtledove made a pun with the unrelated word meaning 'stingy'. I read through it again pretty much right after finishing it; I rarely do that even with books I like. Jan 29, Libby rated it it was amazing Shelves: This is the story of what happened when time travelers gave Robert E.

Lee advanced weaponry in order for the South to win the Civil War. It is also my favorite alternate universe story. Turtledove is absolutely the best when he undertakes to build an alternate world, whether it is a twin to the Byzantine Empire, the American South or Nazi Germany. His viewpoint characters are so vivid, so alive that I feel that I know them well. Their thoughts describe their experiences with wry humor and rueful This is the story of what happened when time travelers gave Robert E. Their thoughts describe their experiences with wry humor and rueful wisdom.

His knowledge of history is both wide and deep and he twists it so plausibly that his cloned worlds become as real and complex as our own. Even when I think that I have caught an error or an anachronism, his cunning plotting explains it, or I discover that I was mistaken. This universe begins to split from our own when Lee experiments with the weapons supplied him by mysterious strangers and discovers what his troops can do with superior rate of fire. When questioned, they disclaim any effort to affect the outcome of the elections.

They claim to be selling weapons, which is highly unlikely because of the group's overwhelming wealth. Other supporters, both official and unofficial including Lincoln, a Kentucky native , pour into both states to try to sway voters. Despite an assassination attempt on Lee by a former slave in Louisville and the machinations of Rivington men, the election goes as planned, with Kentucky voting to join the Confederacy and Missouri voting to remain in the Union. In the United States presidential election , it takes until November 19 to work out whether Democrats or Republicans had won the election.

Seymour and Vallandigham win Lincoln and Hamlin come in second in both the popular and electoral votes. The ticket gets That ticket comes in last in the popular votes but third in the electoral votes. The ticket gets 7. Coming in third place in the popular vote and last in the electoral, Radical Republican candidate John C. Fremont who was the Republicans first nominee, in and his running mate Andrew Johnson , get Out of more than 4,, votes cast, Seymour beats Lincoln by just 33, votes.

Confederate slaves freed during the war by the US violently resist returning to slavery; many who made up US military units during the war continue to fight Confederate forces long after the Union formally surrenders. That frightens many Confederate whites and infuriates the troops charged with fighting them, particularly Nathan Bedford Forrest and his men. Lee, already dubious about slavery and respectful of the courage of the United States Colored Troops during the war, becomes convinced that continuing to enslave blacks is both morally wrong and ultimately impracticable.

He believes that it is impossible to try to return to prewar conditions. He thinks that black guerrillas will continue to raid and perhaps prompt a general slave rebellion in the near future. The parts of the Confederacy that had fallen to the US during the war had already lost many of their slaves, who were freed as soon as the US troops had arrived and did not return to their previous masters.

In other parts of the Confederacy, many slaves had run away, mostly to US lines, where they gained their freedom. At the urging and with the full backing of Jefferson Davis , who may not be reelected under the Confederate Constitution after his six-year term, Lee runs for President in the Confederate States presidential election, despite Davis's initial reservations about Lee's views on slavery. The Rivington men convince Forrest to run against Lee's pro-abolition, anti-slavery Confederate Party, on a pro-slavery Patriot Party ticket with Louis Wigfall as his running mate, and they put their considerable resources into Forrest's campaign; their offices in Richmond serve as his campaign headquarters.

They draw from their large supply of gold coins in the form of Krugerrands. Lee achieves a narrow victory after he wins Tennessee's electoral votes. Lee wins the national election in the Electoral College and by 32, popular votes out of , cast. Following his loss, Forrest concedes defeat and pays a call to Lee at Arlington , promising to help rally the young nation behind its new president.

Soon after the election, Lee receives a history book that was stolen from the Rivington men from a former Confederate soldier, which covers the Civil War and the original outcome that was supposed to happen without the AWB's intervention. Enraged at the lies that Rhoodie had told him about the future, Lee confronts the AWB leader by using the modern history book as proof of Rhoodie's dishonesty. Lee compares his fanaticism to that of John Brown. At Lee's inauguration on March 4, , AWB men try to assassinate him by using Uzis , which results in the death of Lee's wife, Mary ; his vice president, Albert Gallatin Brown , various dignitaries and generals, and many civilians.

Police forces seize the AWB offices in Richmond after a fierce battle. Lee enters the stronghold to find more technological marvels such as fluorescent light bulbs and air conditioning , books that document the increasing marginalization of racism from into the 21st century, and the efforts made to improve relations between blacks and whites. Lee shows the books to Confederate Representatives in the hope that the future's nearly-universal condemnation of slavery and racism will convince them to vote for his plan for gradual abolition.

Appalled at the AWB attempted assassination Forrest offers his services to Lee without reservation and is put in command of the hastily-remobilized Confederate forces. Confederate forces lay siege to Rivington and engage the AWB, which uses modern weaponry such as belt-fed machine guns, sniper rifles , mortars , barbed wire , and land mines to inflict heavy casualties on the Confederate forces. During the campaign, Henry Pleasants , an American soldier who was captured by Confederate forces late in the war and decided to remain in the Confederacy, where his skilled labor would be more in demand, conceives a similar scheme, as he did in the real-life Battle of the Crater.

It is quickly accepted by commanding General Forrest, and President Lee orders for Pleasants's name be kept a secret to avoid tipping off the Rivington men aware of Pleasants's real history. Unlike in the real battle, the infantry successfully capitalize on the opportunity.

Despite suffering heavy casualties because of the vast technology gap, Confederate infantry destroy the AWB's time machine during the fighting and seize the town after they break through the AWB defenses. The few surviving AWB who were unable to escape back to their own time lose hope and surrender. Soon after being captured, Rhoodie is killed by an enraged slave.

Well aware of the Rivington men's cruelty and treason, the Confederates spare the slave from any harm. Pharmacists have copied the nitroglycerin pills brought by the AWB, and Lee hopes, with their help, to live to see the effects of his plan for emancipation.

Meanwhile, a few of the stranded Afrikaner South Africans agree to help the Confederacy replicate their 21st-century technology from so that Lee can counter the Union in both its replica AKs and its greater industrial strength. Though the Confederacy has maintained strict neutrality in a war that the Union had started with the British Empire by invading Canada, Lee fears that the Union may later attempt a war of revenge against the Confederacy.

He rests assured that the Confederacy will, however, remain the most technologically advanced country in the world for many decades to come.