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Prior to the 11th and 12th centuries, someone accused of a crime would have to go through a trial or ordeal of some kind [ ref ], and one form of trial was the trial by combat. They might have to face their accuser or a trained dueling expert appointed by the court. Winning a duel was a sign that God favored you, therefore proving innocence. Many duelists including nobles issued challenges for pragmatic reasons, as well. For a man who was confident in his own skill at dueling, it was the solution to virtually any problem.


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Debts could be erased by finishing off the creditor. Land disputes were settled in a similar manner. Rivals for jobs or political appointments were all potential dueling partners, while elections could be decided with swords or guns rather than votes. In antebellum Missouri, the political duel became a way of life. The duel, therefore, became one upper-class tool in political clashes. From the territorial elections of through the code became legitimized as never before or after.

Alexander Hamilton , a political philosopher and politician who was present at the Constitutional Convention, met an untimely end in a duel with Aaron Burr, one-time Vice President of the United States. Hamilton and Burr had come into conflict as partners in a law firm and during Burr's presidential candidacy at the time, the runner-up in a presidential election became vice president.

Aren't we seeing some tension right now? Zardari remains mostly silent on America's offensive, which killed 20 people recently, and pilot-less drones carried out 4 more missile attacks in Waziristan. Pakistan said US didn't ask their permission.

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General Kiyani had harsh words for US, and America pretty much said they will do what they have to do to battle extremism. How will this tension play out between the Pakistani military, the United States and Zardari?

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Well, I think the tension is between the US and the Pakistan military. Zardari will probably be the fall guy, that is if the tension mounts and were there to be something as foolish and irrational as a US troops entering Pakistan, then the military would be forced to resist.

So then what Zardari wants or doesn't want or what deal he made is completely irrelevant, because at that point the army would be in charge. You've probably heard the news that the largest 5 star hotel in Islamabad, the Marriott, has been blown sky high. It was incredibly well coordinated. I've been to that hotel.


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  • The security there is incredible. So how that has happened, it remains to be seen.

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    But certainly they've created the impression that Pakistan is becoming ungovernable. Steven Hadley, the head of the NSA, made an interesting comment: What is the repercussion of that? Do you believe it first of all, and does Pakistan need outside help? No, I think if the Pakistani military wished to do it they could certainly crush the organizations.

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    But then again it is something controversial within the army. A These people are citizens of Pakistan; B every time the army has engaged action against them a lot of innocents have died; C whenever the military has attempted to do this, it has created tension inside the military especially amongst the ordinary soldier and junior officers who say they don't like killing their own people.

    So, there is a problem with the Pakistani military doing this. However, were the US to go in and try to do it, they've met similar results: People not connected in anyway to the militants have died. Presumably, I assume we have no real information that some jihadis have died as well. But to transform the North-West Frontier of Pakistan into a large killing field isn't going to help anyone. Essentially what we are seeing is spillage from the Afghan war, a war that has gone badly wrong. And a war which is being supported by consensual politicians of the Democratic and Republican parties of the US; a war which the politicians contending to power have not paid serious attention to.

    Several say that Central Asia, and not Iraq, is the major hot zone right now and needs to be contained. What can be done to destabilize the Taliban who are resurgent both in Afghanistan and now Pakistan? Isn't any type of offensive going to cause a significant reaction in the form of violence for both countries? Well, look; I don't accept that Iraq is quiet. You had US raids just last week that killed innocents in that country. And the notion that even Petraeus isn't saying that the surge is succeeding for all time to come, that there is still a great deal of unrest.

    The majority of Iraqis don't want foreign bases there at all. It's not that Iraq is being pacified successfully; it would be an illusion to imagine that. However, it is true that the presidential contenders are concentrating on Afghanistan. But here we have a classic situation, a military occupation led by NATO, led by the US, which is killing too many civilians in its bombing raids. I mean even [Afghan President] Karzai has said too many civilians are being killed.

    Secondly, you have Hamid Karzai and his cronies running Afghanistan. A situation in which Karzai's brother is reputed to be the country's largest drug smuggler and arms bearer. The result of this has been a big rise in Pashtun nationalism. And this rise in Pashtun nationalism takes the form at the moment of swelling the ranks of the old Taliban, which is why it is being called the neo-Taliban by many, many British observers on the ground.

    They see the composition and character of this organization has changed as a result of the NATO occupation, that is what is going on and the support for the neo-Taliban is increasing every single day. In order to confront this, it is no use that the US and the West say it is the fault of Pakistan.

    I'm not saying the Pakistani state is exempt from all blame, it probably isn't.

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    But the central issue is the war inside Afghanistan going badly wrong and expanding this war into Pakistan won't help matters; it would make it much worse. Pakistan is much larger country than Afghanistan, it is a country of million strong with nuclear weapons, so it's foolish to try to destabilize this country.


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    In your book, it seems to imply that since the beginning of Pakistan's nation-state, Jinnah and his advisors have been following a policy dictated by the US, in the sense that in their relationship, the US has been the one giving the orders and Pakistan has been the one following it.

    Has this been the case from the beginning and is this what has led to our current situation? This type of mentality? What I argue in my book is that for the first two to three years, it was the Pakistani elite which was pursuing the United States. Because most of the people in charge of Pakistan for its first 10 years were people who collaborated with the British politically and militarily.

    And once the British left Pakistan, they were desperate for someone else to replace [them]. I cite chapter and verse of the pleas made to the United States in '47, '48, '49, but turned down by the US, who regarded India as a much more important power. Then, with the heightening of the cold war, and the Indians becoming the central players in the Non-Aligned Movement, then Pakistan was, more or less, taken over by Washington and incorporated in all the security beds along with Iran and Turkey.

    Since that time, the Pakistani military has been a very prominent player in the country's politics. And I sort of argue in my book that Pakistan, being on the flight path of American power from the '50s onwards, has actually wrecked the organic development of politics in that country, leading to one crises after another. Now, after the end of the Cold War, the US abandoned both Afghanistan and Pakistan and left them to their own devices. That was the period in which Benazir Bhutto pushed through the Taliban takeover of Kabul, the Pakistan army got what they called a strategic depth, because without logistic support, there's no way a ragtag army like the Taliban could have taken Kabul.

    This is a well-trained force, including many Pakistani officers and soldiers. And this is what began to create the tensions inside the country. During the time when the Pakistanis were strong, staunch allies in the war against the Russians, as is well known, that is the time that all these jihadi groups were spawned by the state and sent in to fight in Afghanistan.

    Explain to me how Pakistani people can rise up and restore a semblance of a functioning democracy. Or is it impossible? Should we not expect this in the near future?