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The expression usually immediately follows a specific statement, a completed action grammatically considered. If someone went on a real tangent, covering a panoply of subjects in uniquely definitive fashion-- let's say it left you with a feeling like the crowd must've felt when they first heard the Beatitudes?

Then an awe-struck encomium like "truer words have never been spoken" might not sound hyped-up or overblown. To me the present-perfect version is jarringly unidiomatic. That tense in general is nowhere near as commonplace in AE as it seems to be in European languages.

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If you want not to be easily and immediately identified as a non-native speaker, I'd recommend taking well-established phrases as axiomatic, accepting their apparent illogic, and using them as templates for learning similar forms of idiomatic speech. London but from Yorkshire English - England. I think that the simple past often replaces the past perfect in sentences with the words with 'ever' and 'never', and in these cases the two options can be synonymous.

I think the simple past sounds perfectly idiomatic, if perhaps a little elevated in style.

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Was there ever a planet between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter? Why are the simple past and past perfect synonymous in these cases and in few others? My hypothesis is that it is not necessary to use the past perfect, because the sense of the past perfect, namely 'until now', is perfectly well conveyed by the word 'ever' or 'never'. According to this page http: But those are Two different things.

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I mean, I made a mistake in 6. When I wrote "past perfect" I meant "present perfect". Your confusion was a result of my mistake, not a result of a change in terminology.