Baby, Its Cold Outside

'Baby, It's Cold Outside' Isn't Rapey; It's Practically Shakespeare

Woah woah woah, Watch it there, that question could offend someone Okay, at least, remove the obvious ones. The easily offended can even pick at Christmas carols and find dangerous connotations! I remember that when I was little and my parents had friends over, I even heard my mom say "What's in this drink" when they are laughing and having a good time. Completely innocent and fun times. Sometimes I wish the easily offended would drop over like those fainting goats! At least, I hope so. Gets into people brains Stop-motion but not claymation. Some people are just addicted to pats on the back for how woke they are.

They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. As I much as I want to answer your question, I won't because I might offend these intelligent people that makes simple things so complicated just to get attention and just to be able to show that they're better than you. So, I'll just keep the answer to myself so that these fucking know-it-alls won't be offended.

This comment is hidden. Click here to view. Stop making the mistake of reducing everyone's observations and concerns down to "just being offended". It's shallow reasoning, intellectually lazy and misses a very important point. Cultural norms at any given point in time directly impact the actions of people in the moment and how one expects the other or themselves to react or not react.

Regardless of the "context" of the time, as a culture we're much more aware of boundaries in social settings of what crosses a line from being harmlessly flirtatious to outright creepy and rapey. We're much more aware of these warning signs today. It all boils down to how people In modern-day may interpret this song to communicate an accepted practice of tirelessly chasing after someone after they've said "no" numerous times.

If the song is interpreted by a male as "No, means Yes" If the song is interpreted by a female that it's perfectly acceptible for men to be very persistent, then she may find herself raped. You're obviously not very bright, Jared, and stop using "rapey," it makes you look stupid even if the rest of what you said hadn't achieved that by itself.

This is from a time when conventions made it unacceptable in cinema for a lady to just say "yes I want to spend the night with you" to a man. Blame individualism and the U. Give common people the freedom and willpower to speak in their own defense and they're going to use it. Petra Schaap - Of course not, but the U. Constitution did have a lot to do with shaping the social structure of the West in the years after it was implemented. While in a modern context, the song is truly cringey, the subtext of the song, even without knowing what "What's in this drink?

They both want to spend the night together, and she's worried about what people might think of her. In a way, that's also a bit cringey through modern eyes, but hardly offensive.

If we start banning every song that might not fit into modern tastes, we'll have nothing left. There's nothing at all "cringey" in the song even from a modern context.

Unless you're a complete retard, or just want those pats on the back for your faux-enlightenment, there's no way you could see this as anything other than playful banter by two people who both want this to happen. Not only could she not outright say she wanted to stay, but he couldn't outright just ask her either - nor could you today, unless you want to come across as a real pig.

Today's social retards raised on cellphones don't know how to do this today. Using the terms retard s and pig ok, maybe not pig so much. I've insisted once or twice. But it had nothing to do with getting laid- the roads were crap, and it wasn't safe to be driving. We would have the songs that fit in to modern taste. The only way we wouldn't have anything left would be if nothing was in modern taste.

Maybe that's not such a bad thing Humanity could definitely use a good paradigm shift right now. I misread the preceding comment in this thread and meant to convey that humanity could use a paradigm shift away from consumerism as exemplified in popular culture. I never meant to make a statement in support of mass censorship. That would be an awful way to exist. No challenges to the mind, no engagement with reality. People do know right from wrong. No one is going to listen to this and be inspired to rape, unless it's something they would already be okay with doing.

The fact that we are having a conversation about it is validation of its usefulness. What's funny is the lyrics have always been the same. People weren't so offended though, artists were covering it, hell it was even in the movie Elf. But now radio stations are banning it and people are outraged. What does that tell you? Maybe because it's easier to be "offended" about such things, than being offended by everyday things that we got used to as being "normal" but are not and do something about it that requires more than a comment or a re-tweet?

I mean Frank Loesser wrote this song for he and his wife to perform at parties, people are reading way too much into it.

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Sixty or seventy years ago, the MeToo movement would have been laughed off as a triviality. Let's not forget that when it was in the movie "Elf" he was in the bathroom, while she was taking a shower.. But I get tired at radio stations, tv programmers and advertisers changing their media because some conservative idiots get their undies in a twist over something they clearly don't understand. If you don't like what you hear on the radio..

If you don't like the way a company does it's advertising, don't buy it's product. But stop interfering with the rest of us enjoying something because your too uneducated to not get offended by it. And these media groups need to stop bending to the whims of these people out of fear of facing a boycott. I don't think this is a conservative thing. The me too movement is more of a liberal movement and a lot of this banning music and taking things off of tv and the airwaves if left leaning. All this brewhaha was started by a lib. Just like a liberal professor said God is a rapist.

It's not an exclusively Conservative mindset. How many protests were made against Playboy by activists on the left who were insulted by their depictions of women? When did these minority groups gain that kind of power? Why would people manufacture outrage about a song? This outrage is truly ridiculous. It was a song written at a time when it was not allowed for women to be portrayed as willing partners in a sexual encounter.

Therefore it all had to be innuendo in order to get passed by the censors of the day. Anyone who has seen or heard it can tell - other than those too young to have heard of movie censorship. The motive is to keep their message on center stage.

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I think the difference is that now with the metoo movement and wanting people to realize that no means no, the song doesn't really set a good example. Though I think with the context it is a powerful song, without context it implies that even if someone says 'NO' you can keep bugging them into saying yes. I don't think the song should be banned, but it also shouldn't be played at stores during during the holidays. It doesn't talk about Christmas or holidays in any line of the song. But it wasn't about someone not giving consent. It was a girl being coy about wanting to stay at a guys house when it was frowned upon to do so.

It was written in a different time and did not mean she was being urged to stay against her will.

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Not sure if you've seen the lyrics in their entirety, but the song is not about a man trying to force himself on a woman who is saying "no. Bored Panda works better on our iPhone app. Please enter email address We will not spam you. To complete the subscription process, please click the link in the email we just sent you. Continue with Facebook Continue with Google or. Log In Don't have an account? Sign Up Forgot your password? Login Forgot your password? Like a good Shakespearean play, "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is a tool that can express almost anything about a two-person romantic relationship.

What changes, like good theater, are the goals, subtext, and stakes. Each artist can bring a new interpretation to the lyrics, depending on how they sing the song. Also, how is Deschanel allowed to still be adorable while committing felonies? I guess that's a discussion for another time. Now consider this traditionally-gendered version by Rufus Wainwright, who seems basically indifferent to his female companion in a way that makes you think, at some point, she's trying to convince him.

He's not into girls.

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Just go home and watch Love Actually or something. Another way to change the relationship in "Baby It's Cold Outside" is to change the song's tempo. While Rufus lets the words ooze from his lips like molasses, Nick Lachey, and Jessica Simpson sing it so fast they can barely breathe. They are in a huge, huge hurry. Their version seems to mean: Others have contextualized the song by adding some playful banter, which in my opinion is like adding lines to Shakespeare.

Here is a version that employs that technique as well as some laughing: Colbie Caillat and her buddy Gavin Degraw, who are both kind of laughing the whole time. These guys seem so happy to be hanging out. No one is going anywhere. The gender-reversal technique, as seen above, is becoming the only socially acceptable way for hipsters to sing this song.

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Sometimes, it can be charming. Like I said, I don't believe in throwing around the word "rape-y," but Olivia seems to be threatening him with pneumonia and John really wants to leave. My favorite gender-changed rendition is and this is kinda embarrassing to admit the Glee version. Two teenage boys in school uniforms somehow bring the correct level charm to the song; Kurt's perfect coyness makes the song romantic. This version also underscores how unimportant the actual words they are saying are as an English major, I reserve the right to directly contradict myself at all times.

Plus no one is drinking, no one is smoking, no one is dying of pneumonia. This isn't a "no means yes" situation. It's all about the context, about the way that the two characters interact with each other. I'm telling you, like Christmas Shakespeare, this song can represent a million different types of romantic interaction. That's why it keeps coming back every year.