Claudias Grave Tales

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They are just that good. This second book was not quite as good as the first, "I, Claudius. There is a long section early in the novel that tells the story of Claudius' friend Herod Agrippa, which I think was not necessary. It made the book slow and at times boring. Bottom line, I didn't enjoy it quite as much as "I, Claudius," but still I recommend the book to people who like to read historical This second book was not quite as good as the first, "I, Claudius. Bottom line, I didn't enjoy it quite as much as "I, Claudius," but still I recommend the book to people who like to read historical novels.

Jan 18, Jack rated it really liked it. This second book, while not quite as good as the first, is a very fitting successor. In I, Claudius, Claudius's role is primarily as an observer, sitting on the sidelines and watching his relatives destroy themselves while remaining relatively safe by virtue of their assumption that he is no threat to take the throne. In this book, Claudius ascends simply because he's the last man standing, and in seeing how he administers Rome he scuffs himself up a bit. In actually wielding a power he had neve This second book, while not quite as good as the first, is a very fitting successor.

In actually wielding a power he had never even approached in the first and dealing with the realities his office as emperor, his idealism and virtue become marred somewhat by personal flaws and severe mistakes in leadership. But at the same time, he remains essentially true to the character we became familiar with in the first book. Claudius the God's biggest weakness is one common to sequels: Claudius chronicles many incidents and affairs that reflect great research and historical color, but which don't seem wholly essential to the evolution of the story.

This is in part because the book lacks the self proscribing scope of the first. The first was basically about the establishment of the roman imperial government and the competitions for the throne thereof, the second about the actual administration of an empire. Still, focusing on this element compliments the first book to create a fuller picture of the times, and most of what Graves seeks to include - such as the public works projects - do seem to have been critical elements of Claudius's reign.

Which elements work best in the book is wholly subjective. The conquest of Britain, for example, seems wholly critical to the narrative, and personally I was rather fond of Graves's extensive chronicling of King Herod's activities in Judea. On a related point, there are also some very intelligent and well reasoned digs at the roots of Christianity and the politics of Judaism in the early years AD. This series really is just phenomenally good.

Both this and I, Claudius, take a while to read and to follow, but when they're finished you feel both satisfied and regretful that the experience has been completed. Perhaps that's why this review is several times longer than any of its predecessors. Het is het tweede deel van Ik, Claudius, maar zeer goed apart te lezen.

Het begint nadat Caligula vermoord is, en de militairen Claudius tot keizer uitgeroepen hebben. Claudius, de kreupele, de stotteraar, maar wel een zeer intelligent man. Behalve waar het zijn vrouw Messalina betreft, die hem om haar vinger windt en die hij niets kan weigeren en die dan ook vreselijk misbruik maakt zijn gevoelens voor haar en het vertrouwen dat hij haar schenkt. Het is een schier onmogelijke taa Zeer goed boek.

Het is een schier onmogelijke taak voor Claudius om te herstellen wat de twee vorige keizers de Romeinse staat en zijn inwoners aangedaan hebben, maar hij weet toch heel veel te bereiken tijdens zijn regering. Ik denk dat het boek historisch goed onderbouwd is, het enige minpuntje vond ik dat er veel verteld wordt over wat Claudius voor Rome gedaan heeft, en de voorbeelden die uitgelegd worden betreffen meestal de stad Rome zelf, maar hij is toch keizer van het uitgestrekte Romeinse rijk, er had wat meer aandacht mogen zijn voor wat hij voor of in de rest van het rijk verwezenlijkt heeft.

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I recommend the book to people who like to read historical novels. I gave it three solid stars because the book is an important piece of history. I took away the fourth star because the book was much too long thereby diminishing this historical account of Claudius' reign over the Roman empire. The book, the main character, and the author remain enigmas to me. I read this book thinking I would find at least one redeeming quality in Claudius, but I read in vain.

Still, I liked Claudius. To be so in I recommend the book to people who like to read historical novels. To be so intelligent, he was dirt dumb. He married the same woman three or four times, though their names were different. He was a good organizer and public works planner, though his projects fell apart more often than not, and he usurped his office of public trust. The author portrayed Claudius in different lights but never developed his personality, and I do mean personality as opposed to character.

The mental picture I have of the physical Claudius is of a painted turtle with a corkscrew neck, arms and legs akimbo, riding a blind camel trying to evade an equally physically handsome lynch mob. The layout of the book itself could be likened to a horse's gait. My granddaughter, quite the little equestrian, could state this better than I can, but she is otherwise engaged at present. The author at times writes like a skittish horse afraid of its own shadow. The horse signals a change of subject or a movement through its quick canter.

Finally, the horse reaches open pastures and gallops beautifully, but the gallop is shortlived because the horse cannot sustain any rhythm. What the author wrote is historically important.

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Consider the ministry of Jesus Christ, the advancement of Christianity, the Jewish practice of monotheism, the Jew 'problem,'the expansion of Western civilization, and the matters not listed as the stepping stones leading us from what we once were to what we have become today. The author's multiple writing styles and Claudius' questionable integrity did not help this reader to answer that question.

Therein lies another enigma. How could the author have written this book any other way? Is his writing style not a realistic aid to answer some of the questions with which man has struggled to answer since the beginning of time whenever that may have been in billions of different eyes?

Going by other reviews of this book, all excellent, I am not alone in my judgments of this book. I got mad at the book countless times and read profound passages countless times. The book and its characters remain things beyond my full understanding. Am I the fool for holding him in any regard at all? Where would I have stood had I lived in that day? Why did he marry his neice? Did he not know that madness runs in families?

Graves, for a good read. Great, now I have to go and read some actual ie non-fiction Roman history to find out if I just learned something or if I just read through two books worth of Days or Our Lives, circa 41 AD. Also, both the style and content of the books was extremely compelling and I really wanted to find out what happened next! The books con Great, now I have to go and read some actual ie non-fiction Roman history to find out if I just learned something or if I just read through two books worth of Days or Our Lives, circa 41 AD.

I listened to these books, the Recorded Books version read by Nelson Runger.

The performance was quite well done and I had no problems with it. Una joya eternamente perdurable. Una obra de arte. Dec 17, Jennie rated it really liked it Shelves: It's a shame that Messalina is such a pretty name, because she was such a vile person. Sometimes I wonder if this book is rampantly misogynist on purpose, or if that just a reflection of the source material Robert Graves had to work with. And then I wonder if the source material is full of such horrible women because there really was such a crop of scheming imperial jezebels, or if the historians were merely reflecting the deeply-entrenched anti-woman sentiments of their time.

And then I remember It's a shame that Messalina is such a pretty name, because she was such a vile person. And then I remember that today's young classicists of both genders seem to do a pretty good job of fighting the patriarchy. And that we will all probably raise a feisty feminist crop of Medeas and Philomelas and Messalinas. And I am a giant nerd. Mar 20, Louisa rated it it was amazing Shelves: Claudius the God starts where I, Claudius left off, at the scene of the assassination of Caligula.

The first four chapters are dedicated to Herod Agrippa, the Jewish king who grew up in Rome. Claudius calls him a 'scoundrel with a golden heart'. He then continues to relate how he managed to clean up the political and financial mess that Caligula left behind and undertook some major works in Rome two aqueducts that doubled the water supply in the city, the draining of a lake, and the harbour o Claudius the God starts where I, Claudius left off, at the scene of the assassination of Caligula.

He then continues to relate how he managed to clean up the political and financial mess that Caligula left behind and undertook some major works in Rome two aqueducts that doubled the water supply in the city, the draining of a lake, and the harbour of Ostia. Leading up to the invasion of Britain, Claudius gives us the historical background of the Celtic tribes, the Druids, Stonehenge and the British women with their "fierce tempers".

Beautifully written and totally engrossing, historical fiction does not get much better than this. Apr 01, Kate rated it it was ok Shelves: A disappointing follow-up to the brilliant I, Claudius. I'd heard it didn't compare, but I had to found out for myself. The technique, wit and cleverness were still there, but the approach didn't lend itself to the subject.

Claudius-as-bumbling-fool-in-the-shadows worked spectactularly because he was the perfect fly on the wall. Claudius-as-increasingly-mad-emperor was all nut job and no distance. Funny, smart, and entertaining to a degree, but unlike its predecessor, it didn't have much of anypl A disappointing follow-up to the brilliant I, Claudius. Funny, smart, and entertaining to a degree, but unlike its predecessor, it didn't have much of anyplace to go. Stuttering emperors, promiscuous empresses, mad Romans, dubious historians. Subtitled "and his wife, Messalina" , Claudius, the God , the second volume of Robert Graves's classic, begins where I, Claudius left off, with Claudius, no less surprised than anyone else, ascending to Emperor, having outlived all his scheming, murderous relatives who actually wanted the job.

The first half of the book is mostly about Claudius establishing himself as Emperor, in which he gives a pretty positive portrayal of himself. The chief antagonist initially is his friend Herod yes, that Her Subtitled "and his wife, Messalina" , Claudius, the God , the second volume of Robert Graves's classic, begins where I, Claudius left off, with Claudius, no less surprised than anyone else, ascending to Emperor, having outlived all his scheming, murderous relatives who actually wanted the job.

The chief antagonist initially is his friend Herod yes, that Herod, those of you who went to Sunday School , who later declares himself the Messiah and ends up dying after trying to lead a Jewish uprising in the east. While in the first book, I never really doubted Claudius's self-narrated version of events, here I began to suspect that Claudius wasn't necessarily an entirely reliable narrator. That is, obviously this book was written by Robert Graves, not Claudius himself, but Graves depicts a Claudius who constantly wants to do the right thing, and assures us how dedicated he is to truth, justice, and humanity, and yet, while he might not be a butcher like Caligula, nor a debauched monster like his uncle Tiberius, Claudius does manage to carry on pretty much like we expected Roman Emperors to do.

He taxed whenever he had a pet project to pay for, whenever someone pissed him off he made new law to remedy the matter, he has people executed always for very legitimate and just reasons — according to him , and incidentally, he decides it's time to conquer Britain in earnest and launches his very own invasion. As Emperors go, Claudius was not too bad and he was pretty good for Rome , but a great humanitarian he was not.

However, his greatest failing was his blind trust in his wife, Valeria Messalina, who it turns out was at least in this version of the story, in which Claudius totally throws his wife under the bus by blaming pretty much every bad thing he ever did on her screwing half of Rome behind his back. This is the fictional Messalina created by Robert Graves, of course, who portrays her as a truly horrible, manipulative and monstrous little slut who had Claudius wrapped around her little finger while she was having anyone who offended her, threatened to expose her, or refused to sleep with her put to death.

The degree of exaggeration Claudius gives his wife's promiscuity is enough to make even a non-feminist skeptical like, she wore out the city's most veteran courtesans in a fucking contest, really? Most everything in Graves's novels is based on the work of Roman historians Tacitus, Seutonius, Pliny the Elder, and the satirist Juvenal, all of whom were writing about events long in the past and who had reason to be hostile to Messalina and her imperial line, so it's been argued that her sexual voraciousness and other misdeeds are just sexist slander.

Everything in the book is at least based on historical facts, however. We know that Messalina was eventually executed for adultery, and Claudius married his niece, Agrippina, the daughter of his brother Germanicus, and sister of Caligula. Once again, Graves gives Claudius high-minded motives for this incestuous marriage, which in this version of the story, at least , was never consummated and which they both agreed to for purely political reasons.

Agrippina may not have been quite the whore that Messalina was, but she was just as scheming, and was soon conspiring to ensure her son Lucius aka Nero would become Emperor, rather than Claudius and Messalina's son Britannicus. Claudius sort of dodders off into a depressive funk and incidentally, becomes a raging drunk who stages grand gladiatorial death-matches Roman historians accuse Agrippina of poisoning Claudius, but like the turgid descriptions of Messalina's debauchery, there is reason to be skeptical of these accounts.

Still, it is certainly the sort of thing Romans did, so there isn't much reason to think she didn't do it, either.

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Robert Graves's novels are first and foremost, novels. Graves wrote them to be entertaining, rather than to instruct the reader in Roman history. But he based them on Roman sources, so what you're really reading is a novelization of all the Roman writings that most Roman histories have been based on.

If Graves's version of Emperor Claudius is historically inaccurate, it's not much more inaccurate than Tacitus and Pliny the Elder. I do wonder about the references to corn, though. Jul 03, Kim rated it liked it Shelves: Claudius The God , a novel by Robert Graves, is the sequel to " I, Claudius", and it takes up the story from the point when Claudius was acclaimed as emperor. Where the first novel covered the reign of Caesar Augustus as well as those of Tiberius and Caligula, the sequel is longer but mostly restricts itself to the thirteen-year reign of Claudius, the narrator.

There is a rather long section early in the novel that tells the story of Claudius' friend Herod Agrippa, who helps and encourages Claudius Claudius The God , a novel by Robert Graves, is the sequel to " I, Claudius", and it takes up the story from the point when Claudius was acclaimed as emperor. There is a rather long section early in the novel that tells the story of Claudius' friend Herod Agrippa, who helps and encourages Claudius in his first few months of being the new emperor.

Finally with Claudius we have a good, well better than any other emperor. After all I don't think he poisons anyone in the entire book, which was amazing in itself after the first book. He does seem to enjoy, or at least not to be bothered by, people getting killed in the arena games though which bugged me.

And the story of Herod Agrippa was very interesting, most of it anyway, and I was always looking for references to Jesus or any of the early Christians yes they were in there. So I should have enjoyed it more, but I didn't. To me the first book was filled with story.

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Story of people's lives. Granted they were crazy people running around poisoning or starving each other, but it was a story of the people. This seemed more of a instruction manual for Roman life. I learned so much about Roman life and of how the Romans really viewed the world around them, including their conquered territories and provinces.

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I learned way too much about it at times. He is telling me at one point that Galba burned one hundred and fifty stockaded villages, destroyed thousand of acres of crops, killed great number of Germans, took two thousand prisoners, lost twelve hundred men, its a long list of who did what. Galbinius meanwhile loses only eight hundred men, burns the timber shrines, destroys crops, village, and takes two thousand prisoners. And there are lots more generals and lots more burning and killing lists. Then there's lists of roads being laid, aqueducts and buildings being built, especially temples, every god I ever heard of and a lot I never heard of had their own temple.

How he changed the alphabet by making three more letters, got quite a few pages although I'm still not sure why he insisted on changing the alphabet in the first place. But a lot of things like this slowed the action down to a crawl at times, then suddenly it would pick up again and I would be so interested, then back down to the crawl again. There are lots of other characters in the book, and they all act exactly like the people in the first book acted, like Romans I guess. His wife Messalina is an absolutely horrible person, but so are his other wives and just about every other important woman in both books.

I found Herod's letter to Claudius about Jesus fascinating, in one section he says, "And there are now people who say that he was God and that they saw his soul ascend to Heaven after his death-just like Augustus's and Drusilla's-and claim that he was born at Bethlehem and that he fulfilled all the other Messianic prophecies in one way or another; but I propose to stop this nonsense once and for all.

Only three days ago I arrested and executed James, who seems to be the chief intellect of the movement; I hope to recapture and execute another leading fanatic called Simon, arrested at the same time, who somehow escaped from prison. Of course I say that about every book.

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